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I never use the word renunciation at all. I say: “Rejoice in life,in love,in meditation,in the beauties of the world, in the ecstasy of existence–rejoice in everything!” Transform the mundane into the sacred. Transform this shore ino the other shore, transform the earth into paradise.And then indirectly a certain renunciation starts happening. But that happens,you don’t do it. It is not a doing, it is a happening.